In this conversation, David Peck and Adam Sneyd discuss the Independent Commission on Sustainable Development Progress (ICSDP), its goals, and the urgent need to rethink the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs). They explore the political context surrounding the SDGs, the importance of research and community engagement, and the challenges posed by the current framework. Adam emphasizes the need for new metrics and definitions to better measure progress and the role of independent research in driving change forward. The discussion highlights the importance of collaboration and the potential for the ICSDP to influence sustainable development practices globally.