In this conversation David Peck and Thierry Zomahoun explore the challenges and opportunities surrounding the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) and the role of the International Commission on Sustainable Development Policy (ICSDP) in addressing these issues. Thierry, the president and CEO of ICSDP, shares his personal journey and commitment to international development, emphasizing the need for accountability, trust, and practical solutions to ensure the success of the SDGs. The discussion highlights the flaws in the current SDG framework and the importance of engaging with ordinary people to create meaningful change.